One of the key components of base building is that you sort of "train to maintain" which allows for the recovery out of fatigue, and into supercompensation.
The issue becomes, like any other issue, how long can you do this and still improve?
I don't have an answer.
Everyone will be different. However I do know that the human body will adapt to most training methods or styles or stimulus fairly quickly, so it's not like I'm preaching you can go in and train lazily forever, and get big and strong as fuck.
At some point, you will have to switch gears and put some weight on the bar, and/or blast some new rep PR's. At least for a 6 week cycle. If you're feeling froggy after 6 weeks, run it for 3 more.
Since the base building principles are something done over a longer period, say 3-4 meso cycles, you will probably need to break up the rhythm a bit. A good way to do this, without overworking the main lifts, is to use the 50% method, the 350 method, and 100 rep work to improve muscularly to improve the lifts.
The seesaw effect of recovery and stimulus again -
Since fatigue just isn't about intensity loads (% of 1RM) we still must be mindful of volume, if a perceived intensity effect is throw in. Once you start doing forced reps or negatives or strip sets, you're once again introducing fatigue into the equation. Now something must give in order to still make sure that the downward curve of fatigue is still met with a sharp up curve of recovery.
This is something you saw in 365 in phase 1 using the strong-15. That the assistance work has to take a sharp turn down once the intensity load starts to rise. Likewise, now when you turn the perceived intensity up, the volume for the big lifts must take a down turn.
Just to make it easy, you can simply cut the volume in half for the big lifts, and keep the percentages the same.
So 6 sets of 8 become 3 sets of 8 on bench. 5 sets can be 2 or 3 by your own discretion.
Time to grow -
This following is a fact of lifting. At some point you will hit a ceiling for your strength potential at your current size. At that point you have to make a choice to either be happy with that level of strength, or get muscularly bigger. This requires reps, and food. Food I am not writing about today. That only leaves reps.
There are three methods I prefer to get more reps in for growth.
The 50% method - Do a set to "failure" rest 60 seconds, then do another set and try to get half as many reps at the first set. Use the big-15 programming to figure out how much to use here.
350 method - Do 3 sets of max reps with the same weight, 2 minutes rest between, aiming for 50 total reps.
100 rep sets - Pretty straight forward.
"This is f'n madness" split -
After 10-12 weeks of some boring ass base building, or you reach a point where you know you need to grow, it will be time to plug in the "madness".
I call it this because I can look at it on paper and tell you, it's going to be fucking hard. It will hurt. It will make you grow like a baby gorilla on 2 grams of tren a week if your eating and sleeping are good.
Ok so that's total embellishment for the sake of the article but if you make sleep and food the priorities outside of the gym, you will grow like crazy getting this much work in.
Ok so that's total embellishment for the sake of the article but if you make sleep and food the priorities outside of the gym, you will grow like crazy getting this much work in.
One of the things this split will do, is rotate the emphasis on what musculature is being worked on a session to session basis, so that way over the 6 weeks everything gets extra treatment.
Here is the breakdown -
3 sessions rotated
4 days a week
Rotation of what is being emphasized on for the day
For example....
Benching - chest, shoulders, triceps, biceps
Squatting - quads, glutes, hams
Deadlifting - upperback, lowerback, lats
So for 6 weeks, your standards will be to drop volume on the big stuff, get some easy work in there, and then destroy the musculature involved in the big lifts.
Let's lay this out.
Week 1 -
Day 1 - Squat - Quad emphasis
Squat - base work
Front Squats - 50% method
Hack Squats - 350 method
Leg Extentions - 100 reps
Day 2 - Bench - Shoulder Emphasis
Bench - base work
Military Press/PBN - 50% method
Seated Db Press - 350 method
Front Raises - 100 reps
Day 3 - Deadlift - upperback emphasis
Deadlift - base work
Db Rows - 50% method
Cable Rows - 350 method
Kirk Shrugs - 100 reps
Day 4 - Squat - Hamstring emphasis
Squat - base work
Squat - base work
Sumo leg press - 50% method
Romanian Deads - 350 method
Leg Curls - 100 reps
Week 2 -
Day 1 - Bench - Chest Emphasis
Bench Press - base work
Incline Press - 50% method
Db Bench Press - 350 method
Pec Deck or Flye - 100 reps
Day 2 - Deadlift - lower back ephasis
Deadlift - base work
Good Mornings - 50% method
Hypers - 350 method (bodyweight should be good here if you do them CORRECTLY)
Hanging Leg Raises - 100 total reps - this is to actually stretch the entire spine and sort of "unload" the lower back.
Day 3 - Squat - Glute Emphasis
Squat - base work
Barbell Glute Bridges - 50% method
Speed Skater/Split Squats - 350 method
Glute Kickbacks - 100 reps
Day 4 - Bench - Tricep and Biceps Emphasis
Bench - base work
Close Grips - 50% method
Db Curls - 350 method
Curls - 100+ reps
Week 3 -
Day 1 - Deadlift - Lat emphasis
Deadlift - base work
Chins - 50% method
Lat Pulldowns - 350 method
Straight Arm Pulldowns - 100 reps
Day 2 - Squat - Quad emphasis (repeat)
Squat - base work
Front Squats - 50% method
Hack Squats - 350 method
Leg Extentions - 100 reps
Day 3 - Bench - Shoulder Emphasis (repeat)
Bench - base work
Military Press/PBN - 50% method
Seated Db Press - 350 method
Front Raises - 100 reps
Day 4 - Deadlift - upperback emphasis (repeat)
Deadlift - base work
Db Rows - 50% method
Cable Rows - 350 method
Kirk Shrugs - 100 reps
Some notes and keys here to making this work -
- This is HARD training. If your eating is not good, and your rest is not of utmost importance, you will not get the most from this. Read that again and again.
- If you are fat, do not do this. Let me repeat. You need to eat to make this kind of program work. If you are fat, get your slop ass in shape first. Base build on many long meso cycles as outlined in parts 1 and 2, and drop the slop. I can't ever figure out why the hell fat guys keep asking me "should I train for mass." Isn't that what you were doing to get fat? Get lean first, so you can eat really well for the next 6-9 weeks.
- Eating means carbs. No one is going to get massive or gain mass eating no carb. If you want to do carb backloading, that's fine. If you want to eat in a traditional manner, it will work as well. Just eat carbs, but keep the diet clean. Check the LRB diet if you have no idea what that means.
- I have yet to figure out why people keep saying I'm a low volume guy. Jesus tap dancing christ, if you want to do the math on the volume in these workouts.....it's going to be in the 200-300 rep range at times. Then some guy that does 10 sets of 3 (30 reps) says some shit like "well yeah but he's low volume, and I don't get big or strong on that. I need volume." Thanks champ, math wasn't taught at your school I suppose. VOLUME is about total workload done. Not just sets. Reps fucking count as volume for the love of salamanders and all that is unholy.
- Don't ask "can I...?" Fuck. No.
- One week you bench twice, one week you squat twice, one week you deadlift twice. Again, split the volume for the big lifts in half, and maybe even program down. If I had to describe what you're doing here, use the big lifts as the initial movement as part of the workout "warm up". So all of your energy should be poured into busting ass as hard as possible on the 50%, 350, and 100 methods work.
- Cut the conditioning down to once a week for 45 minutes, twice a week for 30 at MOST.
- Shoot for rep PR's each time that workout comes around. This means again, to program a little light.
- Run through this 6-9 week cycle until you start getting crispy, AKA saying to yourself "fuck this rep shit! I need a break!" Kit-Kat time.
- I also suggest throwing in a cheat MEAL (not day) twice a week. These is a high calorie style training program, so you can dirty it up A LITTLE. Again, another reason why you need to be LEAN going into this. If you aren't (I have to always write this a few times because the fatties REALLY want to get bigger when they really need to understand they are fatties) then again, base build for months and months to find a set point with bodyfat and strength that compliments each other. This requires time and you being patient. Two things that most guys hate more than Keith Richards hates sobriety.
- After you do get crispy, do a no-deload deload, and then start with more cycles of base building with the big lifts only for a while. At this point you should be able to program quite a bit higher than you were previously if you had been stuck in a rut.
Paul, I know this article isn't for me yet (bullet points 2 and 10). So, body comp wise running the Big-15 programming, good things happened--even though I wasn't as disciplined as I need to be with the food. I'm 8 pounds heavier, it seems most of that weight went into my chest but a little did go into my gut.
ReplyDeleteI'm definitely ready to get my poop in order on the food front. The big question is if it is a good idea keep doing Big-15 while cutting down on the Calories, or if it would be better to program differently while I cut the fat?
Also, when in your opinion are you no longer fat (as far as these programs are concerned)? When you've cured Dun-lap disease (gut dun-lapped over the belt), when you can see your abs?
big-15 requires food. Remember, it's a growth program. No food, no growth.
DeleteEveryone sees their abs at different times because not everyone carries bodyfat the same way. I carry the last bit of my fat in what I call my "fat belt". The area where you'd where you'd wear a weight belt. When I get lean enough, most of that goes away. For me, that's 10% or less. Having 2 "top abs" doesn't mean a whole lot, yet it's always the calling card for being lean for the fay dudes.
How do you do this while doing the 365? Its not in your book.
ReplyDeleteYou don't. You do 365. This is something I am working out the kinks in currently.
DeleteThanks for that clarification.
DeleteHey Paul,
ReplyDeleteRelatively new to the site, been reading up, bought and read SLL and LRB-365, and I'm trying to begin a new routine. For an intermediate (2-3 years of good consistent lifting, ~410/235/465 @ 176) would you recommend following the 1 on 1 off intermediate program from SLL or just following the 365? I'm looking to just lift for a good while, not think about competing, and put on some mass.
Also if following the 1 on 1 off intermediate off season mass split, do I use either the strong 15 or big 15 template, or something else to determine progression?
Thanks for all you put in, it's appreciated out here.
Just go big-15 if mass is your goal and not planning on competing.
DeleteThank you. One follow up: With the Upperbody #1/Staple Pull #1 which you specify is always a chin variation, you say "cycle plus 50%." If you are doing bodyweight chins, what would your set and rep ranges be? Are we talking 3-4 sets AMAP? I suppose I am confused even if you are loading, or more specifically, when you write "V-Bar Chins - cycle + 50%" do you meaning 1 weighted set AMAP and then try to hit half those reps on a second set?
DeleteAll that means is that you program the lift and do a 50% set with the programmed poundage.
DeleteThank you. I understand in the general sense what that means, I was just a little confused about how it applied to chins. I wrote the question like I had been at work for hours and I think I get it now anyway. Sorry for the incoherent question, and thanks for the help.
DeleteI think readers see you as a low-volume lifter because of articles like "Against the Grain Methods to Gain Mass" where you talk about training to failure. I would say a lot of your routines are based on lower volume for the big lifts (usually 1 top set and maybe some drop sets) but assistance work is high volume no doubt.
ReplyDeleteLook through all of my logs for the last 2 years. Most of my squatting does have 1 or 2 sets that are the heaviest, however there are generally a total of 15-25 sets done in that time.
DeleteWhen you think about the principles I am talking about here, in using lower percentages, those sets still apply as part of volume.
With this program are you still doing an over warm-up for the 50% sets? It doesn't seem as necessary since you're already warming up with the main lift for the day. I know you've mentioned in the past not to do over warmups with rows anyway, but I could see the value in say, the incline press. Not a big deal either way, just curious on your thoughts
ReplyDeleteYes. The overwarm up is still used on the 50% sets to prime the main set.
DeleteIt's funny that you posted this ,just a a little before I begain to run 5/3/1 with that assistance structure...50% method or 5x10 on the first execise and on the second I'm doing the 350+ light weights for 100 reps....it is pretty good stuff
ReplyDeletePaul, I was looking through your blog and noticed you doing a lot of "small sessions". I was wondering what the purpose of those is/was?
ReplyDeleteJust to "fill in the gaps" so to speak. And not clutter up the big sessions with support work. So basically instead of training 3x a week you can train 5-6 but not really impact recovery so much.
DeleteHey Paul, wanted to follow up on this if I might. If it was more convenient to train that way, would you see any major difference in someone taking the "small" sessions and putting them after the big stuff and just training 3x/week? (referring to the 6x/week Big-15 routine) Or even if just trying to pare it down to 4 or 5 days a week that way? (By putting 1 or 2 of the small sessions after big ones.) Just less trips to the gym, etc.
DeleteThanks.
If that's what you think will work (no sarcasm). Everyone has to find what they feel works best for them and their schedule and recovery.
DeleteI was just kidding. You wrote thousands of words about the small sessions at the time including several short summaries like you just gave, your base-building idea's also pretty simple but people keep confusing the issue so I thought I would bring this up again. I'm glad my weak troll led to some useful advice.
DeleteI get so many questions sometimes it gets lost in the fray.
DeletePaul,
ReplyDeleteShit, that does look hard as hell. I cannot see how one would not be able to grow from trying this out for several weeks. Hell, it makes me hungry just looking at how it is set up, hah. Good thinking
As for the small work---kudos to you, man. Lately, in the morning I will do some calf work and ab ork before squatting in the evening. It gets the little stuff out of the way and allows me to focus on the meat and potatoes with full focus.
I may start implementing this split soon. I am able to eat more normally again and it's paying off.
DeletePaul,big fan od your work,it has shaped my syle of lifting big time,i am an intermediate lifter and i have been bulking for a long time about from 145 to 180 Ibs.I am about 19-20% bf and i am going to start a cut now i was using your Base building articles for long time now and it was very very good,but what changes do you suggest to me to make so i don't burn out?Thank you again for all your work it really has helped me a lot and my friends a lot!
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